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== POV display ==
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A "persistence of vision display" (POV display) has only a single line of LEDs blinking on and off.
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The display mechanically sweeps it across a person's field of view,
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giving the illusion of a 2D display.
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''(Do I need a diagram or a picture here?)''
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(Nearly all LED displays in microwave ovens and alarm clocks electrically sweep the digits across a person's field of view, giving the illusion that it's displaying all 4 digits of the time "12:55" when actually only one digit is illuminated at any one instant).
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[[User:DavidCary]] is building yet another "POV display".
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I plan on putting a few features into my display that I haven't seen in any other so far:
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* bright blue LEDs (even though blue is usually the most expensive color ... although sometimes "true green" is even more expensive than blue).
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* no slip rings -- just pumping energy across an air gap
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* ... and a few other features that I'm keeping hush-hush.
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I want lots of lumens.
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Unfortunately, when I go to pick LEDs out of the catalogs, they're not
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rated in lumens, they're rated in candelas.u find me in the club,aaha aaha,
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baby i like it , the way you move on the flour,
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shake ur pussy babe
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baby i wana fuck u.
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lonely , lonely
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i m not afraid,
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give me give me
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my hump my hump
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i love the way you lie
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neeeeeeeeewwwwwww york
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ffffffuccccccccccckkkkk the stuff
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----
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Is it even possible to estimate "lumens" from the catalog information?
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You can use this table to get an approximate conversion from candelas to lumens. Find your LED beam width in degrees, and divide the candelas number in your specs by the cd/lm factor listed for that beam angle to get lumens.
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<br>
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beam angle cd/lm<br>
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beam angle = 5 divide candela value by 167.22<br>
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beam angle = 10 divide candela value by 41.82<br>
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beam angle = 15 divide candela value by 18.60<br>
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beam angle = 20 divide candela value by 10.48<br>
 +
beam angle = 25 divide candela value by 6.71<br>
 +
beam angle = 30 divide candela value by 4.67<br>
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beam angle = 35 divide candela value by 3.44<br>
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beam angle = 40 divide candela value by 2.64<br>
 +
beam angle = 45 divide candela value by 2.09<br>
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 +
Hope this helps.....Dr. Andrew Thomas...
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Do you know what the difference is? Does your flashlight really
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produce 10 times the light ( in lumens)? Or does the flashlight merely
 +
focus its light on a tiny spot, so that that spot gets 10 times as
 +
many candelas ?
 +
 
 +
For example, check out these 2 LEDs:
 +
$8.75 SSP-LX6144C7UC : 4000 mcd at 120 mA
 +
$8.75 SSP-LX6144D7UC : 1800 mcd at 120 mA
 +
 
 +
From the mcd rating, it appears that the first one is more than 2wice
 +
as bright -- and it is, if you're directly in front of it when you
 +
look at it.
 +
However, if you're even the tiniest bit off-center, the second one is
 +
much brighter -- in fact, the total lumens that second LED puts out
 +
(2500 mlm) is slightly more than the total lumens than the first one.
 +
If you diffuse the light and try to light up a whole room with an
 +
array of them, the second one will make the room brighter.
 +
 
 +
I'm currently planning on using these in my first POV display:
 +
* $1.32 Telux TLWB7900 : blue : 330 mlm, 231 mcd at 50 mA. (price in ones from http://Newark.com/ )
 +
 
 +
Other LEDs I considered using in my POV display (and may re-consider for my next one):
 +
 
 +
* $18.89 "Lamina light engine" BL-22B1-0140 : 22000 mlm at 420 mA. (this price includes the required heat sink -- price in ones from http://Digikey.com/ ). This has the most lumens per dollar I've found so far (for blue LEDs).
 +
* $8.750 Sunbrite LuxLEDs SSP-LX6144D7UC blue: 120 mA, 2500 mlm, 1800 mcd (Odd that the red Sunbrite LuxLEDs are cheaper at Newark, the other colors cheaper at Digikey.) cheapest $/lumen blue LED, except for the "light engine"
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* $2.550 Lumex "DSP LED" 67-1876-ND: blue, 5 mm, 2500 mcd ( DigiKey ) apparently have some kind of internal chip. All colors run at 2.0 V nominal (1.5 V minimum) (rather than running on current like most LEDs. unfortunately, the data sheet doesn't suggest how much current they take -- I presume more than 20 mA).
 +
* $1.600 Sunbrite "based LED" SSP-01TWB7UWB12 (441-1007-ND) blue 10 mm 20 mA 7000 mcd
 +
* $5.980 GM5WA06270A SMT RGB (35 mA red, 35 mA green, 35 mA blue) 3000 mcd (full color range -- apparently used for digital camera flash ?) (Digikey)
 +
* Mouser: hi-power LEDs ( http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?Ntt=LEDs+hi-power ) shows "lumens" directly -- exactly what I wanted.
 +
 
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== further reading ==
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Many POV devices are based on the PIC, see the [[PIC Links]] and search on POV.
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<br>
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Spoke-POV and propeller clocks links:
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* An entire discussion forum devoted to POV displays http://www.ladyada.net.nyud.net:8090/forums/viewforum.php?f=11
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** In particular, lots of nice pictures http://www.ladyada.net.nyud.net:8090/forums/viewtopic.php?p=4712
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** 'no-microcontroller-programmer-needed' minipov http://www.ladyada.net.nyud.net:8090/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32
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* LEDtoy on Sourceforge http://ledtoy.sourceforge.net/
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* Ian’s Spoke POV http://www.ianpaterson.org/projects/spokepov20050704/index.htm
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* "Propeller Clock" Mechanically Scanned LED Clock: by Bob Blick http://www.bobblick.com/techref/projects/propclock/propclock.html (I think this is the original POV display)
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* micro POV display http://positron.org/projects/mpov/ small enough for "glueing it to my shaved head."
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* [http://www.rickard.gunee.com/projects/mechscan/dualpic/gamesys.php "Virtual Game System - A game console with a mechanically scanned display."] can play [http://www.rickard.gunee.com/projects/mechscan/dualpic/tetris.php Virtual Tetris] by Rickard Gunée.
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* [http://code.google.com/p/bicycleledpov/w/list bicycleledpov wiki]: A bicycle visual LED artwork
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* [http://popsci.com/povclock Popular Science: "Build It: The Persistence of Vision Wall Clock"] by Dave Prochnow
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* Arduino Polar Scanner Project [http://www.desk-nijverdal.nl/ArduinoPOV.html]
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* LilyPad Arduino POV Wristband [http://blog.craftzine.com/archive/2010/03/lilypad_arduino_pov_wristband.html]
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* "Mechanically scanned display stuff" built by Rickard Gunée [http://www.rickard.gunee.com/projects/]
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While most POV displays spin the LEDs in a complete circle, some "wiggle" the LEDs back and forth:
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* [http://www.instructables.com/id/Wiggling-clock-LED-Project/ "Wiggling clock (LED-Project)"]
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----
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Is this http://led-display-and-design-swicki.eurekster.com/ relevant?
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I think so--[[User:71.234.233.163|71.234.233.163]] 18:06, 22 June 2007 (PDT)
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* [http://code.google.com/p/bicycleledpov/ Bicycle LED POV] is an electronic LED bar to attach on bicycle wheels. When riding the bicycle, the LED bar will draw with light, text messages and image animations. Free/Open hardware, firmware and software.
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* [http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/03/luscious_electric_delight.html "luscious electric delight"]: source and schematics for a large graphical LED panel. Uses 12 MAX6953 LED drivers; each MAX6953 drives four 5x7 led matrices. The PC generates arbitrary bitmap, sends it out the serial port to a PIC, which translates it to I2C bus connected to all the MAX6953 LED drivers, which update the image at a continuous frame rate of 30fps.
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* [https://oldwiki.blinkenarea.org/bin/view/Blinkenarea/BlinkenProjects BlinkenProjects]: projects with lots of LEDs[http://www.kiu.weite-welt.com/de.schoar.blog/?p=206], including a 3D LED array. Wiki: http://wiki.blinkenarea.org/
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* [http://www.ianpaterson.org/projects/spokepov20050704/index.htm  Ian’s Spoke POV] Review it.
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* [http://www.electric-clothing.com/superpov.html Project: Super POV] Review it.
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* [http://www.ladyada.net/make/spokepov/index.html SpokePOV Persistence of Vision for your Bike] Very nice, kit available.
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* [http://www.attiny.com/dotmatrix.htm On this page you will find a scrolling LED sign based on the ATtiny2313 AVR microcontroller] Row Column approach with a shift register]
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* [http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2007/02/flashing_led_br.html Flashing LED Bra]
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* [http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/peggy "Peggy," A Light Emitting Pegboard Display]
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* Christmas trees are now led based so: [http://computerchristmas.com/ The #1 Site for Controlling Christmas Lights with a Computer]
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* [http://members.misty.com/don//ledx.html Don Klipstein's LED Main Page]  Lots of good info.
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* [http://www.instructables.com/id/Synchronizing-Fireflies/ Synchronizing Fireflies] ATtiny super smart swarm of LEDs.
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* [http://www.u-disp.com/ U-Disp - An Open Sourced USB display]
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* [http://crushingabyss.com/sunrise_alarmclock/index.html Sunrise LED Alarm Clock] ATMega8515 controlling two color-mixed high-power LED channels with PWM.  Also contains a RTC circuit and a serial port.  Full source including PC Windows serial port communication code.
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* [http://dotmatrixdesign.tumblr.com/ dotmatrixdesign: Twitter LED Scroller Build Log]: an Arduino shield for a 7x5 LED matrix, and all the schematics, board layouts, Arduino firmware, and PC software to make it scroll text from a Twitter feed.
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* [http://www.thekeeser.com/Projects/mechanically_scanned_led_display.htm "Mechanically Scanned LED display"] by Chris "thekeeser". Using PIC16F628, a infrared 1 pulse per revolution sensor so it can automatically adapt to any rotation rate, and multi-colored LEDs. Detailed notes on the software development.
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[[category:projects]]

Revision as of 13:30, 4 March 2011

POV display

A "persistence of vision display" (POV display) has only a single line of LEDs blinking on and off. The display mechanically sweeps it across a person's field of view, giving the illusion of a 2D display.

(Do I need a diagram or a picture here?)

(Nearly all LED displays in microwave ovens and alarm clocks electrically sweep the digits across a person's field of view, giving the illusion that it's displaying all 4 digits of the time "12:55" when actually only one digit is illuminated at any one instant).

User:DavidCary is building yet another "POV display".

I plan on putting a few features into my display that I haven't seen in any other so far:

  • bright blue LEDs (even though blue is usually the most expensive color ... although sometimes "true green" is even more expensive than blue).
  • no slip rings -- just pumping energy across an air gap
  • ... and a few other features that I'm keeping hush-hush.

I want lots of lumens. Unfortunately, when I go to pick LEDs out of the catalogs, they're not rated in lumens, they're rated in candelas.u find me in the club,aaha aaha, baby i like it , the way you move on the flour, shake ur pussy babe baby i wana fuck u. lonely , lonely i m not afraid, give me give me my hump my hump i love the way you lie neeeeeeeeewwwwwww york ffffffuccccccccccckkkkk the stuff



Is it even possible to estimate "lumens" from the catalog information?

You can use this table to get an approximate conversion from candelas to lumens. Find your LED beam width in degrees, and divide the candelas number in your specs by the cd/lm factor listed for that beam angle to get lumens.
beam angle cd/lm
beam angle = 5 divide candela value by 167.22
beam angle = 10 divide candela value by 41.82
beam angle = 15 divide candela value by 18.60
beam angle = 20 divide candela value by 10.48
beam angle = 25 divide candela value by 6.71
beam angle = 30 divide candela value by 4.67
beam angle = 35 divide candela value by 3.44
beam angle = 40 divide candela value by 2.64
beam angle = 45 divide candela value by 2.09

Hope this helps.....Dr. Andrew Thomas...

Do you know what the difference is? Does your flashlight really produce 10 times the light ( in lumens)? Or does the flashlight merely focus its light on a tiny spot, so that that spot gets 10 times as many candelas ?

For example, check out these 2 LEDs: $8.75 SSP-LX6144C7UC : 4000 mcd at 120 mA $8.75 SSP-LX6144D7UC : 1800 mcd at 120 mA

From the mcd rating, it appears that the first one is more than 2wice as bright -- and it is, if you're directly in front of it when you look at it. However, if you're even the tiniest bit off-center, the second one is much brighter -- in fact, the total lumens that second LED puts out (2500 mlm) is slightly more than the total lumens than the first one. If you diffuse the light and try to light up a whole room with an array of them, the second one will make the room brighter.

I'm currently planning on using these in my first POV display:

  • $1.32 Telux TLWB7900 : blue : 330 mlm, 231 mcd at 50 mA. (price in ones from http://Newark.com/ )

Other LEDs I considered using in my POV display (and may re-consider for my next one):

  • $18.89 "Lamina light engine" BL-22B1-0140 : 22000 mlm at 420 mA. (this price includes the required heat sink -- price in ones from http://Digikey.com/ ). This has the most lumens per dollar I've found so far (for blue LEDs).
  • $8.750 Sunbrite LuxLEDs SSP-LX6144D7UC blue: 120 mA, 2500 mlm, 1800 mcd (Odd that the red Sunbrite LuxLEDs are cheaper at Newark, the other colors cheaper at Digikey.) cheapest $/lumen blue LED, except for the "light engine"
  • $2.550 Lumex "DSP LED" 67-1876-ND: blue, 5 mm, 2500 mcd ( DigiKey ) apparently have some kind of internal chip. All colors run at 2.0 V nominal (1.5 V minimum) (rather than running on current like most LEDs. unfortunately, the data sheet doesn't suggest how much current they take -- I presume more than 20 mA).
  • $1.600 Sunbrite "based LED" SSP-01TWB7UWB12 (441-1007-ND) blue 10 mm 20 mA 7000 mcd
  • $5.980 GM5WA06270A SMT RGB (35 mA red, 35 mA green, 35 mA blue) 3000 mcd (full color range -- apparently used for digital camera flash ?) (Digikey)
  • Mouser: hi-power LEDs ( http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?Ntt=LEDs+hi-power ) shows "lumens" directly -- exactly what I wanted.

further reading

Many POV devices are based on the PIC, see the PIC Links and search on POV.
Spoke-POV and propeller clocks links:

While most POV displays spin the LEDs in a complete circle, some "wiggle" the LEDs back and forth:


Is this http://led-display-and-design-swicki.eurekster.com/ relevant?

I think so--71.234.233.163 18:06, 22 June 2007 (PDT)


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